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Man of the Atom's avatar

Stronk Woman = Mediocre Man Clone

Sensitive Man = Your Girlfriend with Different Plumbing

I think the latter one is worse, as it is in general more deceptive dangerous for women.

But, neither holds much to desire in their arrival, and their departures are typically a relief.

Men and Women are complimentary, with their own strengths, weaknesses, and desires.

Write to those strengths, weaknesses, desires, and differences and it will resonate with your readers.

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Joshua Lavender's avatar

Agree and disagree. TL;DR: This is a much more nuanced topic than you made it out to be in this post.

The unrealistically overpowered Strong Woman, e.g. the kick-ass Urban Fantasy heroine with amazing sword skills who can best any man, is indeed an absurd trope deserving of an intelligent reader's eye-roll. But the contrary trope, the Weak Woman who can do nothing a man can do, is just as absurd — and that trope was around for a long time, which means it's commonly assumed to be the alternative by default. But the trick is to strike a realistic balance, getting away from these extremes.

I agree that a lot of what you call "feminist" literature presently fails at striking the balance. But I think this has happened because of an over-correction. Every time a new trope takes off in literature that subverts age-old expectations, writers go overboard with it. "The shiny new thing" seduces readers, we know, so as writers we're seduced, too. It takes a while for the shine to wear off so we can interrogate the new trope, get realistic about it, and see how it ought to be used.

So, really, there's an Unrealistic Strong Woman and a Realistic Strong Woman. As readers get bored with the former, rolling their eyes more and more, writers will figure out how to write the latter. The pendulum will swing back towards the middle.

Now, as harsh as what I'm about to say is, please bear in mind I'm doing you the courtesy of assuming you're simply unaware of something, rather than assuming you're arguing in bad faith...

Re: "The goal of feminism is to become the same as a man." In the context of your piece, this means feminism's goal is to turn women into men. That's not the goal. If you think it is, either you're poorly informed about feminism or you're assuming the over-correction stands for the whole philosophy (the exception stands for the rule). Feminism's basic intention is to deconstruct patriarchy and show that women are entitled to the same considerations as men, not that women are men. Various issues, from voting rights to equal pay for the same work to the handling of sexual assault cases, show feminism's intention and application — but I shouldn't have to gesture at them. If you're critiquing a philosophy, first take the trouble to understand it — learn its history, the conditions which gave rise to it — so that you frame it fairly in your critique. A little knowledge goes a long way. I really don't think you'd like to live as a woman in the world as it existed before feminism, if you understand what that world was.

As you probably know (or I can't imagine you'd use it), the phrase "feminine mystique" was coined by a feminist writer, Betty Friedan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feminine_Mystique). The problem Friedan identified was not that "women have this streak of Damsel in Distress" (fair enough) but that the Damsel in Distress was all patriarchy ever permitted a woman to be. Friedan didn't say you couldn't be a housewife, if that's what you wanted. She pointed out that society generally thought you couldn't be anything else, so many men and women (both) made sure you never became anything else.

There certainly are positives to the feminine mystique. You've identified a strong moral foundation, gentleness, listening, and service as qualities of a strong female character. I agree, and I'd add fortitude to that list, since many women have had to stand strong in the face of certain kinds of suffering that many men can't even begin to understand. In my own writing (see the serial novel on my substack), I try to portray women with these qualities and to show men can have these qualities (can in fact learn them from women). The women in my fiction do take up arms alongside the men, and I try to depict that realistically, too. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility. History abounds with examples of women warriors.

The Unrealistic Strong Woman is indeed a tired trope. Let's get away from it, by all means, but let's be thoughtful about what we replace it with. We don't have to swing back to the other extreme. There's a whole spectrum of possibility.

P.S. "Technically" women can't develop enough upper body strength to wield swords? History begs to differ. Since you bring up the katana specifically...

Some history about samurai women and the katana: https://katana-empire.com/blogs/katana/samurai-women-and-the-katana

The naginata was a long bladed weapon, technically not a sword but a polearm, used by samurai women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCo6-BSwdJs

More about the naginata: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naginata

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